LoPy Antenna Setup / Installation

[rskoniec]

@borjam @LoneTech Thanx :-)

[SakshamaGhoslya]

@borjam "Using the LoPy hardware without antenna can harm"
Can you please elaborate it little bit?
What kind of signals can harm the hardware?
How will they harm it?

[livius]

@SakshamaGhoslya
Starting without an antenna may damage the hardware

[bmarkus]

@livius said in LoPy Antenna Setup / Installation:

@SakshamaGhoslya
Starting without an antenna may damage the hardware

Regarding the LoRa part (SX127x), transmitting w/o antenna will not damage the device. Even it is necessary to use it w/o antenna if you are experimenting two LoRa devices close to each other to avoid loss packets, overriding receivers.

[livius]

@bmarkus
this was on Pycom documentation - i do not remember the exact place

[bmarkus]

@livius said in LoPy Antenna Setup / Installation:

@bmarkus
this was on Pycom documentation - i do not remember the exact place

And it is my personal experience working with Lora devices and gateways :)

[borjam]

@SakshamaGhoslya

Some wireless hardware can suffer damage when transmitting without a proper termination impedance. Also, it's possible to suffer some unexpected interference in other parts of the circuit due to stray RF.

For instance, a coworker had problems with a router last month. Its GbE port wouldn't work at 1 Gbps. It turned out the culprit was a 5 GHz wireless interface which didn't have an antenna connected. It wasn't being used but it wasn't disabled either, and its default transmission power was 30 dBm (1 W).

Although you won't likely damage the LoPy by operating it without an antenna. As a general rule, always keep healthy habits when dealing with RF equipment. So, use an antenna or a 50 ohm terminator It will never hurt, and you will make sure that your test results are reproducible. And you will avoid paranormal phenomena.

If you have overload problems try separating the units a couple of meters, use an attenuator and/or lower transmission power.

Regarding damage: when a radio transmitter is not properly terminated, part of the transmitted energy is "reflected" towards the transmitting circuit instead of being absorbed and radiated by the antenna. If the reflected energy is too much it can really damage the transmitter. As a minimum it can cause overheating.

I insist: even if the transmitter won't be damaged, develop the habit of keeping the holes plugged.

[bmarkus]

@borjam said in LoPy Antenna Setup / Installation:

@SakshamaGhoslya

Some wireless hardware can suffer damage when transmitting without a proper termination impedance. Also, it's possible to suffer some unexpected interference in other parts of the circuit due to stray RF.

For instance, a coworker had problems with a router last month. Its GbE port wouldn't work at 1 Gbps. It turned out the culprit was a 5 GHz wireless interface which didn't have an antenna connected. It wasn't being used but it wasn't disabled either, and its default transmission power was 30 dBm (1 W).

Although you won't likely damage the LoPy by operating it without an antenna. As a general rule, always keep healthy habits when dealing with RF equipment. So, use an antenna or a 50 ohm terminator It will never hurt, and you will make sure that your test results are reproducible. And you will avoid paranormal phenomena.

If you have overload problems try separating the units a couple of meters, use an attenuator and/or lower transmission power.

While you are right in general, my answer was specific to SX127x.

[borjam]

@bmarkus

Anyway the SX1272 datasheet states a maxium VSWR of 3:1 when transmitting at +20 dBm. (rev. 3, page 84) and a maximum duty cycle of 1%. In extreme cases it could lead to damage I imagine.

[GregS]

@borjam Hmm - thanks for the heads up re the 1% duty cycle @20dBm - I guess that's an added incentive for honouring network fair use policies. ;^)

[borjam]

@GregS A pleasure ;)

Moreover, I forgot. Even when not causing damage, overheating might cause signal distortion, which can be a tough issue to debug. I'm speaking in general terms once more, but better safe than pulling your hair out because suddenly you can't decode your transmissions properly.

[assia]

Hi @LoneTech I used lopy in LoRa mode without external antenna and now I have to add the external antenna and I want to know if I have to do a configuration in my code to select the external antenna.
Knowing that I found nothing in the documentation as for WLAN for example.

[livius]

@assia
Lora must use external antenna it does not use smd antenna
it is only available for Wifi

It is strongly recomended to do not use Lora without Lora antenna at all.

And because of that, you do not find any settings for this in documentation
it work only with external antenna

[assia]

@livius thanks for quick response. Unfortunately I did not know that. So i don't need a configuration code to select external antenna and it will be automatic as soon as I set up the external antenna?

[livius]

@assia said in LoPy Antenna Setup / Installation:

it will be automatic as soon as I set up the external antenna

Yes, you do not need to do anything more
and as written previously better is not start Lora without antenna at all